Posted by: Nizar on: January 7, 2009
I, a son of a Jordanian mother and a Swedish father, grew up and experienced life from two different cultures, I grew up and lived my early years of childhood in Sweden, a country known throughout the world for its freedom, for its race, age and sex equality and it’s separation of religion and state.
The rest of my childhood took place in Saudi Arabia, a country known for its separation of the two sexes and for its extreme religious rulings.
Booth of these two different contradicting cultures have participated in forming the adult that I am today, their affects can be clearly seen on me from my outfit, music taste, food taste to my personal opinions and religious believes.
These cultures made me into a new individual, an individual that didn’t belong to any one of those cultures.

I have always felt different, it all started on a Christmas Eve, I was only three years old, my mom asked me not to accept any gifts from my relatives, when I asked her why? She just answered me by saying ‘Because we are different, we don’t celebrate what they believe in’.
I didn’t really understand what she meant, at the age I was at I didn’t care much either, I was given a nice blue truck toy as a Christmas present and I couldn’t resist taking it for some weird opinion my parents had, for me a toy was a toy and it seemed like a lot of fun.
As I grew older I gradually started to realize the differences between me and the other kids around me, being served with special food was one of the early signs that made me realize that I am different.
I remember whenever we were invited to coffee, a pick nick or a party, I was always allowed to eat only from a special plate, the cookies or doughnuts were usually homemade, old, hard and dry, mean while everybody else ate from the fresh, colorful, juicy once, it never seemed fair to me nor did the excuse that we don’t eat foods that are cooked in that kind of oil seem reasonable.

When I moved to Saudi Arabia I didn’t feel different any more; everybody celebrated the same events and ate from the same food which seemed fairer to me.
I have never asked myself why people behave the way they did, probably I was too young to bother think or find answers to such big questions.
Just like all other children, I was programmed to believe whatever I was told by my parents. If my parents told me not to stand close to the edge or in the lake with the crocodiles I will have to listen to them, if I try to experiment how true are their claims I wouldn’t be standing here in front of you today.
But in a way or another I convinced myself that all these people can’t be wrong.
I grew up and adapted to the way society behaved, stopped wearing shorts, started praying five times a day, started to understand how society reasoned its behaviors and started to form my own opinions.
Opinions that are based on what I was told to be ‘the words of God’.

Among many other believes I believed that there is a person known as Satan who goes around people whispering them with negative thoughts that provoke hate, violence, sex etc… if I listen to him, I disobey god and by doing that I shall be condemned to eternity in hell.
I also believed that my positive thoughts and feeling are made by an angel sitting on my right shoulder and the negative ones are made by a devil on my left shoulder, and they record everything I do, if I do good things I would be rewarded in this life and in the afterlife, and the opposite happens if I do bad things.
Back at that time, it wasn’t possible to see how god was punishing the disobeyers, global media was filtered, internet and satellites were banned and everybody around me was a Muslim, but we were told through the news that there are frequently volcanoes, floods, storms, forest fires and other natural disaster in countries where people disobey god’s orders.

At the same time we the believers seemed to live a happy safe life compared to them, and everything that we gained through my father’s hard work at the university seemed to be a reward from god.
So in a way or another it seemed like reliable evidence that we are right and they are wrong, and most importantly we are on the right path to heaven.
My father’s contract with the university he worked in has ended and it was time we go back to Sweden.
Everything was different, hardly anybody believed in god, students of different sexes were not separated at school, male and female teachers worked in the same rooms with closed doors, gay people held hands in parks and showed love to each other and nobody did anything about it.

I realized immediately that these are the people my religious teachers were referring to as god’s disobeyers; I started to wonder why isn’t god punishing them? We are obeying god’s rules yet they are living a better life than we are, that isn’t fair.
That question raised other questions with it; will I be punished if I behave like they do? What if god didn’t really exist? How do I know if god really exists? Is there a way to know if god really exists?
Slowly I started to adapt to the new society that contradicts with everything that I was taught earlier in my life and realized that there is nothing really wrong with what they are doing.
But the question was not answered; the consequences of taking the wrong decision are extreme so I needed to know for sure, does god really exist?
My seek of truth has started; I wasn’t able to see or predict how my journey is going to end, but one thing is for sure, I had a lot of questions that needed to be answered.

The Imam of the local mosque was visiting my father one day and I took advantage of the situation and asked him a couple of questions.
The Imam seemed to be sure about all his answers which gave me a feeling that he knows what he is talking about, he insisted that there must be a purpose for our existence, that there must be a creator for every creation, that there should be some sort of authority that punishes the evil or guilty and rewards the good.
He then referred to some verses from the holy book as evidence or support of what he is claiming without questioning the credibility of the holy book.
The answers he gave were not backed up by any sort of reliable empirical evidence, they might sound reasonable or correct but that doesn’t mean that they are true!
I insisted that he proves to me the existence of god using reliable evidence, he tried over and over but all he managed to do is to raise more questions on the reliability of his holy book and its history.
These answers were very similar to the once I have received earlier in my life by Imams in Saudi Arabia and Jordan, it seemed kind of convincing, two different people agree so much on a given topic in such detail although they have never meet, they seemed so sure about their answers as if they have seen the truth with their own eyes.

However, the Imam has managed to convince me that scientific theories keep on changing the whole time, what seems to be true to us today might not be true tomorrow and that is usually the case, so we shouldn’t rely and base our faith on them.
Plus, we cannot reach the absolute truth about god’s existence, through science man will never reach the ultimate truth, 100% error free truth, there are always uncertainties and no matter how small they are, they are still there.
When I confronted scientific people with the same questions, I was generally answered with ‘I don’t know’, most of them were honest about it, none of them claimed to know the whole absolute truth.
I got different answers; each one had his own understanding of the world, which in a way or another made me feel that they weren’t sure about their answers or at least the majority of them have to be wrong.
How can there be different scientific conclusions when we only have only one truth?
I was told that there is no scientific evidence what so ever that supports the existence of god, but this doesn’t mean that god doesn’t exist, the absence of evidence of something’s existence does not prove its inexistence!
If I have never seen a green rabbit in my life does not mean that there is no such thing as a green rabbit, so after all, god might exist even though we have no evidence that supports his existence.
I didn’t really get the answers I want to hear, they all had opinions limited to specific fields in science and I had to investigate more in order to come to a more precise conclusion because although science is a realistic understanding of our world it is a very deep, confusing and a hard to grasp subject.

It didn’t take a lot of effort to find contradictions between science and religion.
There are contradictions from the age of the universe, the time taken for the creation of our universe to the origin of mankind.
The Quran, Bible and the Torah all state that god created the world in 6 days, which science has proven wrong, today we know that the our world is a result of a 14 billion years old process known as the big bang.
The Quran, Bible and the Torah also state that Adam and Eve are the fist two Human beings on earth, which science has also proven wrong, today we know that Humans have evolved from an ape like mammal who himself has also evolved from a previous creature, this process is known to us today as evolution.
When I confront religious people with these scientific facts they either ignorantly claim that there is no proof or evidence that supports them, and claim that those are just theories, not more nor less.
Or they will try to interpret the verses in a different way or claim that it is just something symbolic and not to be taken literarily.
I have also experienced people who claim that scientific theories and researches such us the big bang theory and the theory of evolution are done by biased parties and funders looking for ways to back up their own agenda.
Now that to me sounds very silly, why would anyone do that and what agenda are they talking about, atheism isn’t an organization, atheists do not go with their kids every Friday or Sunday to a Church or a Mosque, they don’t have any commandments or goals that they have to accomplish or fulfill, atheists are just people that accept reality as it is.

So far, my journey has brought up more questions than it has answered.
Why would god lie to us or tell us something that we don’t need to know?
The way I see it is that finding the truth is a lot harder process than proving it, once a scientist finds the truth in the field that he is researching, it is very easy for him to prove it, religious people already know the truth so why is it so hard for them to prove it? Well, at least prove the scientific theories against them to be false, which they haven’t succeeded at either.
My journey or seek of truth seems endless; It doesn’t seem as if I or anyone else will ever reach the final truth to my question.

Science will keep on developing; in its process it will continue to break down ancient myths and fairy tales, and it will make new discoveries that will crack down previously made once, and there will always be errors and uncertainties.
On the other hand, religious people will keep on interpreting their holy books in different ways and rely on the fact that science cannot prove the inexistence of their god as proof they can’t be proven wrong.
So here I am standing in front of you, confused, not knowing if to allow my life to be governed by irrational religious believes that have been passed on from a generation to the next, that are based on anything but reliable, scientific, empirical, testable evidence, that contradict with the physically testable reality that I know just for the sake of avoiding the infinitely small chances of being condemned to eternity in hell in the so claimed to be next life?
Or should I take the infinitely small risk and live my life freely as a free thinker.
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This is an oral investigation that I will present in front of the class next week, it should be about 10 minutes long and shoul prove complex thinking combined with personal experience.
Comments on the presentation and tips on improving the presentation are highly appreciated.
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No they do not, I think science helps support religion. especially the bible. take adam and eve. the ancient greek meaning for adam is the father of all things, and for eve the mother of all things. people try to make the bible an exact science and in doing so they misinterpret the meanings. It is writen in a story form not to be exact but to teach you valuable lessons and to bring you closer to the higher power. look at the demise of any civilization and think of the 7 deadly sins I bet they are present everytime. If someone made this up thousands of years ago. what is the chance these rules would still exist, and what is the chance that deep inside you would feel what you are doing is a sin. If you weren’t built that way these questions and feelings would have died long ago. a godless man is only a shell please study more and keep your mind open. check out the work of edgar cayce it is pretty astounding good luck on your journey
It’s obvious that you’re very confused and your brush with religion has been with people with very limited knowledge of religion AND science.
You mentioned the Big Bang theory, and I previously mentioned to you that it doesn’t contradict religion. Or someone like our cosmologist friend Loolt wouldn’t be a religious person. She is a cosmologist and knows about this stuff more than Richard Dawkins himself. Although, his theories appeal to certain atheists who are lost and barely understand what they’re reading. All while claiming to be on the side of science, when they can BARELY understand what’s going on.
This is not an attempt to undermine you or your mind.
First regarding the Symbolic creation of the earth and heaven consider the following:
The 6 day is symbolic that the universe wasn’t created in a flash. The big bang actually backs that up. There was a bang, there was expansion, cooling, darkness, more expansion, first stars, first galaxies, more cooling, more expansion, first stars died, giving way to newer, longer living stars and more material to build planets….etc
Nothing just happen in a Flash … the creation of the universe certainly took it’s time
Now regarding the 6 day part, which is specifically mentioned in several locations in Quran to be a relative matter. Why are you still stuck on it? Are you just in love with the argument? Even most scientists accepted this as a point that is credited in favor of Quran. Relativity of time is something we barely understood last century.
Then, there’s the Adam and Eve part. My friend, the very first homosapien was Adam, and his first mate was Eve.
Do you know why we must have an Adam and an Eve? Because as you probably took in middle school. Interbreeding between species usually produces sterile hybrids (like a Donkey and a Horse) and such is the case with an Ape and a Human. It’s possible that there were Many Adams and Many Eve’s before they finally found each other and produced a full human being.
The problem with this premise is that a Human needs two sets of DNA, one from A father, and one from a Mother. Both need to be homosapien to generate the right offspring. So not only does evolution in this specific case need to prove that humans spontaneously evolved from apes, it also needs to prove that it happened TWICE in the same area and they found each other and then the reproduced correctly.
Now do you know what that eventually prove? It proves that you have a male and a female that were the origin of the human race. In other words. You proved that there was an Adam and an Eve!!
Now, even if everything was strictly Darwinian. 100% Darwinian. Believers will continue to believe that it was God’s will that natural selection went in this direction and not the other, you know why? Because the odds are scientifically proven to be completely AGAINST emergence of life and at an even way worse probability AGAINST intelligent beings who are going to evolve enough to create blogs and argue all day with each other on how they came to be.
Richard Dawkins is a sorry excuse of a human. He is a radical Atheist, although I respect the “doubt” part that he has. Where he says, “god probably doesn’t exist”. Now that’s a true statement. I wouldn’t say it’s wrong. Because it also means that God might also exist. Which is the true scientific way to talk about these things
As you have said, Atheists don’t have to worry about Moral Codes, commandments, rules, regulations, society and whatever. Therefore they’re not obligated to have any morals or ethics. They have no “frame of reference”. Unlike believers who are supposed to know better because of their beliefs and what it entails of how they must follow a moral code. I’ve said the same thing before
I’m sorry for this Huge comment. But I respect your thoughts and I understand your confusion. Therefore I thought I would respect you and deliver to you a worthy comment instead of just a drive-by.
Good luck on your journey, at the end, many of the very religious believers passed through your own steps. Including Abraham himself … so enjoy soul searching … and may god enlighten your way…
Interesting post. I share with you the same confusion.
For the past few years, I’ve been living in a country were people do believe that making your life a better place is the ultimate purpose of ones life. Their daily life, customs, and society structure all depends on this philosophy. They do have a religion, but unfortunately I don’t understand it; its too vague for my taste, and most don’t follow it.
For me, despite the doubt, I’m still practicing my religion. why? I don’t know exactly, but it makes me feel better. I guess, after all this searching, there’s still hunger unsatisfied. This hunger is what makes me in need to believe in something.
by the way, you seem disappointed by the fact that its not possible to prove God with science. IMO this is not necessarily a bad thing; I think true belief is not bound by ultimate evidence. otherwise, it can’t be truthful. When you truly love someone, you stick with him/her regardless of the circumstances because you believe in them. I can’t claim that this is convincing but its an idea in my head, which keeps me a believer of some sort.
The true questions in my mind are whether I’m “choosing” the right religion to practice or not. the answers can be very different for everyone.
After finishing R.Dawkins’s book (which I’m yet to read), An interesting read could be “The Language of God”, by Francis Collins.
As Qwaider said, good luck.
Mohammad K.
I love the numbers game
You cited the percentage of prisoners by religion, but you didn’t cite the percentage of prisoners per religion vs the total in the society
If you do that, you will notice that people of a religion would account for 1% while atheist would account for roughly 60%
We call the 1% “bad apples”
You MUST call the %60 unlawful doers because ethically there’s nothing that really bounds these people to anything.
One other thing
Would you try to be as eloquent as you can in describing the Computer and the Internet to a person who was living 1500 years ago? Remember things like WIRES haven’t been invented yet, so just imagine what would happen if you really go into details of scientific creation.
These “texts” are directed to people of all times. They need to make sense back then, Now and in the future
At the end of the day, if something doesn’t COMPLETELY make sense to you, don’t believe it. Especially when someone says the words, “Spontaneously” or “Naturally” happened… because as we all know .. nothing just “Spontaneously” or “Naturally” happen, we just didn’t figure out How, Why and what caused it. That’s the scientific approach.
Good luck
I have to disagree.
I was wondering, why you guys want everything to be easy and clear? Honestly, I think the effort we take in understanding things, is far more important than getting everything the easy way. This is exactly what practicing a religion is all about.!
We’ve just started to scratch the surface of knowledge, and yet we are quick to point out that GOD doesn’t exist. IMO, the more we strengthen our understanding of the universe, the more we become closer to realize how small we are, and how complex and “great” the universe can be.
Although this is not a direct indication of GOD, but for me everything around us is a sign of a higher power. I don’t worship GOD by following a set of rules, or reading the manual; I do it by trying to understand what I beleive GOD has created. And I do it because I’m acknowledging GOD’s creation of the universe.
Religions are ways to guide us spiritually. but we need to seek out knowledge of the physical world ourselves. In the Quran, its mentioned in many places to try and look at, and to understand our surroundings; And that people who poses knowledge, will “realize” how truly magnificent the world is, and be able to see this is not created for nothing. A higher power must be behind it, a power worthy of being worshiped. Check Al-i-Imran 190~191.
Last but not least, I know from somehow a realistic POV, seeing is believing. For me seeing or rather “Realizing” the universe is believing.
Sorry for the long post
M.K.
Hi
I think your questions are so important, and deserve answers.
I personally think that we shouldn’t take the religion from our parents without searching where is the truth.
I recommend you to read some articles about the subject: “Is There a Creator?’ on this website:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/200609/article_01.htm
Are you still living in Sweden?
Did you meet Jehovah’s Witnesses?
What is your opinion about what they teach?
I will be happy to discuss this subject with you via Skype or e-mail.
January 7, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Well… European grannies would advise, in different words, ‘When in doubt, don’t.’